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“ Assuming a 15% driveline loss factor, the 359 wheel HP of this car equates to 420 crank HP. That m eans this car has a power to weight ratio of 5.61 lbs/HP, which is better than a Hellcat and just shy of a new Z06 Corvette.”

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DISCUSSION (21)


Kinja'd!!! Nibby > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 14:30

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Kinja'd!!! Textured Soy Protein > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 14:38

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Yes but can you shift gears without bumping your passenger with your elbow?


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09/25/2018 at 14:41

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Kinja'd!!! davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein
09/25/2018 at 14:43

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AC probably sucks , too.


Kinja'd!!! Nibby > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 14:44

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Kinja'd!!! davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Nibby
09/25/2018 at 14:45

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Okay, that’s fantastic.


Kinja'd!!! AuthiCooper1300 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 15:13

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Interesting recipe: a narrow-body Turbo.

More or less the same idea as Louise Piëch’s pale green metallic one (which I had never heard of until Porsche showed it a couple of years ago); or Ruf’s Yellowbird.

If I remember correctly, the aero advantage of a 911 bodyshell over the 930 one meant a max speed around 10-15 km/h higher (see also: 944 v. 924S). I imagine the earlier slim body is even cleaner; front-end lift and sensitivity to lateral wind, on the other hand, must be more interesting than in a normal 930.

I’ve read many years ago that the much-maligned Dr Fuhrmann* (designer of the 4-cam, 4cylinder “Typ 547" engine; spiritual father of the 928; the villain of choice in Porsche’s official story as The Man who Wanted to Kill the 911) commissioned a special-build Turbo with the narrow body for precisely those reasons - higher speed without even having to up the power. He must not have been so stupid as they say, don’t you think?

Back to the car above, those headlights are horrid. And fitting a brand spanking new Prototipo is an unforgivable sin. And, most importantly... the novelty of those darn backdating conversions is wearing off mighty fast. E n o u g h i s e n o u g h .

* Ferry rather slily suggested somewhere that Ernst Fuhrmann was not much of a driver.


Kinja'd!!! jasmits > Textured Soy Protein
09/25/2018 at 15:41

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At least you can use every bump as a reminder that you have at least one more friend than the average Hellcat owner does!


Kinja'd!!! davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > AuthiCooper1300
09/25/2018 at 15:46

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I’d drive it...


Kinja'd!!! AuthiCooper1300 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 16:04

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Yes but.

For example, I am not so stupid as to say that I would kick a Singer out my driveway but the level of kitsch they are reaching is ridiculous. They were always going to be a rather outrageous proposition – the first ones were quite understated, actually – but now they are becoming obscenely flash (and ugly).

Of course they are just t u r n i n g into a reflection of what some of their better-heeled o w n e r s are.

Similarly, I think I would have preferred this SC to look like a very normal SC... which happens to pack some indecent extra punch.


Kinja'd!!! davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > AuthiCooper1300
09/25/2018 at 16:19

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Yeah, Singers are still a great thing that exists, but they’ve lost their novelty and now are “just a thing that all super-rich car collectors have to have in their hangar”.

I cannot not love the long hood.


Kinja'd!!! AuthiCooper1300 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 16:34

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You know that there is a kit car company in the UK that makes (or used to make, a t l e a st ) 911/930 glassfibre lookalikes? Some of them with Escort 1.6 FWD drivetrains?

Their owners are very much a special tribe. In their quest to make the perfect 911 replica they buy e x p e n s i v e p r op e r Porsche badges, seats, headlamps, instruments, t r im , etc. No w a d a y s it w o uld be impossible, but t w e n t y , fifteen years ago some people invested more in a f r i g ging Covin than in a half-decent 911 SC.

The reason, of course, is that they knew they did not have a Porsche so they had to overcompensate b y a d d i ng “ t h e real s t u f f ” .

P e o p le who turn a concertin a - b um p er 911 ( o r a 9 6 4 ) into a l o n g - b o n net replica R o r S / T o r R S o r R S R h a v e e x a c t l y t h e s a m e problem. Deep inside they know it’ s j u s t a n i c e f a k e. A n d that’ s w h y so many of those cars end up being sold , i n s t e a d o f kept.


Kinja'd!!! davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > AuthiCooper1300
09/25/2018 at 16:40

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I’m perfectly fine with a fake if it’s true to the soul of the original and more importantly, ridiculously fun to drive. I’d make it very clear to anyone and everyone that it was a replica, though.

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Kinja'd!!! AuthiCooper1300 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 16:55

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Needless to say, “some replicas are more equal than others”. A Hawk Stratos is so similar to a real one that they are actually l e s s good to drive than some other Stratos replicas with updated suspension design, for example. And some C-Type replicas by Lynx even have leaf springs and are so old now that they are classics in their own right.

I have the impression that many people who go down the backdating route – which is very much a Porsche (and classic Beetle, and classic Mini) phenomenon – end up disappointed. Ultimately it is a huge expense for something artificial.

A r e l a t e d problem with b a c k d a t e d 9 1 1 s is that some of those f a k e s e n d u p b e i n g b u i l t w i t h s o m e really good , o r i g inal, r a r e P o rsche parts. . . w h i c h w o uld h a v e been better used restoring a proper old car.


Kinja'd!!! AuthiCooper1300 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 17:08

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About the use of rare, valuable items to build something of intrinsi cally lesser value:

https://www.tested.com/starwars/452186-how-obsessive-fans-built-better-han-solo-blaster/

The whole article is fascinating, but this is the part I find most interesting:

Even though there were hundreds of thousands of Mauser C96s produced in the past century, getting your hands on one to build a DL-44 replica is no easy task. For one, most Mausers that show up at gun shows are in well-worn condition, and even those start at hundreds of dollars and go into the thousands. And like the vintage camera collectors who have noticed a sharply depleting supply of Graflex flash handles, gun collectors too are wise to the DL-44 prop replicator’s demand for Mausers. Except they’re not always happy about seeing a vintage gun with real historical value milled and in-effect destroyed to satisfy some silly film nostalgic.


Kinja'd!!! davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > AuthiCooper1300
09/25/2018 at 17:19

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Yes, it does seem that obsessive back-dating is a fool’s errand. But if a person’s just going for a particular look for their own enjoyment and nothing else, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

Your last point is a very good one, but in the end, it’s that person’s money and vehicle and prerogative to do what they like with it, even if we disagree.


Kinja'd!!! AuthiCooper1300 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 17:30

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What worries me is that, first, so many people are doing it they are destroying perfectly usable standard cars (before backdating there was the “RS” replica craze, which similarly downgraded some very honest a n d n c e long-bonnet 911s . . . e v e n s o m e n o t - p e r i o d c o r r e c t s h o r t w h e e l b ase ones ); and secondly, so many of those projects seem to start on a whim, and their builders/owners actually sell them on pretty quickly once they are finished. B y t h e n t h e d a m a g e i s a l r e a d y d o n e .


Kinja'd!!! davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > AuthiCooper1300
09/25/2018 at 17:39

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Yeah, that sucks. Optimally, of the remaining survivors of any special car , there’s be 5% in perfect condition with no miles in museums, 80% on the road being used as intended in OEM or OEM+ condition (easily reversible mods ), and 15% where owners have gone way off script, for good or for bad.


Kinja'd!!! Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 18:56

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And this is why I love owning a C4GTS.

Exactly h ow much power? Don’t care, can’t know! I carefully assemble pieces, it goes faster, that’s all that matters.

Oh, and I don’t have to spend a shitload of money trying to pretend it’s something it’s not.


Kinja'd!!! Nauraushaun > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/25/2018 at 19:15

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Comparing crank hp to weight seems like a bust. The entire point of using power to weight is to convey how fast the car is. Power at the crank is irrelevant to that


Kinja'd!!! K-Roll-PorscheTamer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/27/2018 at 17:47

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